Honduran red points
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Rio los almendros IS the blue Danli fish. Rio Los Almendros, Patuca drainage is the river that cuts through the city of Danli, Honduras. Their is no river named Danli in Honduras. However an unrelated Rio Danli does exist in Nicaragua just outside of Danli, Nicaragua and is a very small tributary of large Rio Prinzapolca.
Rio Mongo, Monda and Manga are all three one in the same stream. Same stream 3 names all used by the locals. Any name used err.. spelled differentl yis a typo on our part. It/they are a small tributary of the Rio Aquan, Papaloteca drainage which is roughly 400km north east of Danli. It shares no common tributaries with Los Almendros and both the Sierra de Agalta and Montaña los Comayagua mountains are between them. As well as are smaller ranges in the Botaderos, Sierra Rio Tinto, El Carbon, Montana de Yoro, and La Muralla National Parks. All of which lay.. or rise, between the two rivers.
DNA studies by Bagley apparently indicate that the 'Danli' fish, the Mongo/Monda/Manga fish and the Nicaraguan A. nicaraguensis are genetically no different from each other. Only in color and or pattern. go figure..
To me, personally, they all look, behave, reproduce, and grow differently. but, I suppose the dna is the dna. The HRP is still not officially described so sp. Honduran red point is stays on my side.
Photo below is of my original male from 1998. This is a scanned, film w/ flash photo. These were super blue (green w/ flash). These were from some of the very, very first groups that were passed around back then. Mine orginally came from from Jeff Rapps via Rusty. The offspring I offer today are from the same lineage although quite a few generations in of course. literally trace to this male. They still breed true. Nice blue and red. No deviation from the color with the exception of some leucistic fry started popping up after several years and 1 out of every few hundred may show a wonky bar pattern. I have shipped out literally thousands of these all over the planet. my 12 yr old son keeps an old breeding pair in a 20 high in his bedroom that I still pull fry from and I also maintain two tanks in my facility dedicated to this same fish for breeding purposes. I also have 2 local hobbyists who breed these(from my stock) for me.
Recently I've seen alleged F1 & F2 being passed around. Those I would find highly suspect. IMO anyway.. unless someone went and very recently collected more but that is doubtful as they would not be considered a priority species to go to that area for. Certainly more 'important' species would be worth the time and resources to go look for in Honduras and no one in the circle of collectors I know have gone back in the last decade for them.
Rio Mongo, Monda and Manga are all three one in the same stream. Same stream 3 names all used by the locals. Any name used err.. spelled differentl yis a typo on our part. It/they are a small tributary of the Rio Aquan, Papaloteca drainage which is roughly 400km north east of Danli. It shares no common tributaries with Los Almendros and both the Sierra de Agalta and Montaña los Comayagua mountains are between them. As well as are smaller ranges in the Botaderos, Sierra Rio Tinto, El Carbon, Montana de Yoro, and La Muralla National Parks. All of which lay.. or rise, between the two rivers.
DNA studies by Bagley apparently indicate that the 'Danli' fish, the Mongo/Monda/Manga fish and the Nicaraguan A. nicaraguensis are genetically no different from each other. Only in color and or pattern. go figure..
To me, personally, they all look, behave, reproduce, and grow differently. but, I suppose the dna is the dna. The HRP is still not officially described so sp. Honduran red point is stays on my side.
Photo below is of my original male from 1998. This is a scanned, film w/ flash photo. These were super blue (green w/ flash). These were from some of the very, very first groups that were passed around back then. Mine orginally came from from Jeff Rapps via Rusty. The offspring I offer today are from the same lineage although quite a few generations in of course. literally trace to this male. They still breed true. Nice blue and red. No deviation from the color with the exception of some leucistic fry started popping up after several years and 1 out of every few hundred may show a wonky bar pattern. I have shipped out literally thousands of these all over the planet. my 12 yr old son keeps an old breeding pair in a 20 high in his bedroom that I still pull fry from and I also maintain two tanks in my facility dedicated to this same fish for breeding purposes. I also have 2 local hobbyists who breed these(from my stock) for me.
Recently I've seen alleged F1 & F2 being passed around. Those I would find highly suspect. IMO anyway.. unless someone went and very recently collected more but that is doubtful as they would not be considered a priority species to go to that area for. Certainly more 'important' species would be worth the time and resources to go look for in Honduras and no one in the circle of collectors I know have gone back in the last decade for them.
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I meant nigrofasciatus. I cannot go back an edit it as it is passed the time allowed to do so. Silly rule, bad typo lol.
can’t see the pic?Rio los almendros IS the blue Danli fish. Rio Los Almendros, Patuca drainage is the river that cuts through the city of Danli, Honduras. Their is no river named Danli in Honduras. However an unrelated Rio Danli does exist in Nicaragua just outside of Danli, Nicaragua and is a very small tributary of large Rio Prinzapolca.
Rio Mongo, Monda and Manga are all three one in the same stream. Same stream 3 names all used by the locals. Any name used err.. spelled differentl yis a typo on our part. It/they are a small tributary of the Rio Aquan, Papaloteca drainage which is roughly 400km north east of Danli. It shares no common tributaries with Los Almendros and both the Sierra de Agalta and Montaña los Comayagua mountains are between them. As well as are smaller ranges in the Botaderos, Sierra Rio Tinto, El Carbon, Montana de Yoro, and La Muralla National Parks. All of which lay.. or rise, between the two rivers.
DNA studies by Bagley apparently indicate that the 'Danli' fish, the Mongo/Monda/Manga fish and the Nicaraguan A. nicaraguensis are genetically no different from each other. Only in color and or pattern. go figure..
To me, personally, they all look, behave, reproduce, and grow differently. but, I suppose the dna is the dna. The HRP is still not officially described so sp. Honduran red point is stays on my side.
Photo below is of my original male from 1998. This is a scanned, film w/ flash photo. These were super blue (green w/ flash). These were from some of the very, very first groups that were passed around back then. Mine orginally came from from Jeff Rapps via Rusty. The offspring I offer today are from the same lineage although quite a few generations in of course. literally trace to this male. They still breed true. Nice blue and red. No deviation from the color with the exception of some leucistic fry started popping up after several years and 1 out of every few hundred may show a wonky bar pattern. I have shipped out literally thousands of these all over the planet. my 12 yr old son keeps an old breeding pair in a 20 high in his bedroom that I still pull fry from and I also maintain two tanks in my facility dedicated to this same fish for breeding purposes. I also have 2 local hobbyists who breed these(from my stock) for me.
Recently I've seen alleged F1 & F2 being passed around. Those I would find highly suspect. IMO anyway.. unless someone went and very recently collected more but that is doubtful as they would not be considered a priority species to go to that area for. Certainly more 'important' species would be worth the time and resources to go look for in Honduras and no one in the circle of collectors I know have gone back in the last decade for them.
This type naming is the similar in Panama.
If you ask a local what river you are fishing, you may get get one answer, and if you go a mile and a half downstream, another local may give another name.
A certain leg of a river is often named by he pueblo it is near, and up the road at another pueblo, it may may be dubbed with that name.
The Rio Mamoni in eastern Panama, is a very large river, and where the main highways overpass sign sits, it says Rio Mamoni.
But..near .the Pueblo called Chepo, and any stream branching off near that small town, may be called Rio Chepo, or Rio Bayano, even though it's part of the Mamoni.
Because Rio Mamoni is part of the Lake Bayano drainage, any of the fish found in a Chepo stream, or the Mamoni, or any other part of that drainage, can at different times appear.
AprilWhen I first fished the Mamoni back in the dry season, (back in April), a little upstream, at a higher elevation, cichlids were no where to be found.
I thought it (Rio Mamoni), was a lost cause for what I was after.
Now in July, just a few miles downstream, at a slightly lower elevation, I've caught species I thought were nowhere to be found, and not only cichlids, but different species of Plecos, and gobies.
The only constant ,everywhere I've fished over the last 7 + months, in central, and eastern Panama , in 2 drainages, ( rio Chagres, and lake, and rio Bayano (Mamoni) are the thousands of tetras.
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