Questionable Piranha Tank-mates

joseph

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Had a pleco for the 1st 2 yrs with my RBP, it was very large 2 yr old, one night it was supper, I went through another 6 in a short period. I started with 6 RBPs in 2005, lost 2 to sickness. I switch from feeding them goldfish and chichlid pellets. Nothing has ever survived in my 90 G tank
 

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I have two juvenile RBP that are roughly 3 inches long i want to get another one to balance things out but my LFS currently carries rather young RBP that are like an inch long, however they have a golden piranha that is just a little bit smaller than my RBP would I be able to keep the golden in the tank or will it kill my little bundles of toothy joy later on or vice versa? and if not would an Oscar roughly the same size be a good addition to even things out? and when i say "even things out" i mean like dominance wise, also would having more piranhas in the tank make the current ones i have less skiddish?
 
Hello I am new here and I will really appreciate if anyone can give me some advice regarding treatment of Ich in my main tank.


Okay the thing is this: my tank size is 91.5 cm length and 50 cm height and 45 cm width (I am in Indonesia and we use centimeter as the common measurement) and I've installed 2 powerfull water filter + air pump system and an ultraviolet tube light to stimulate the water plants' growth.


I am currently keeping 10 sub-adult red-bellied piranhas + 10 sub-adult red-bellied pacus + 10 sub-adult silver dollars + 2 young plecos + some ghost shrimps.


I've kept them for almost a week now and there is no fallen victim so far but yes the pacus and dollars have their fins nipped by the piranhas and some even have lost a chunk of their backs. To prevent more serious aggression towards their cousins, I have constantly make sure the piranhas are well-fed and I have set 2 bogwoods with holes and more water plants to provide more hiding places and to improve the water quality.


I'm curious on how long can I keep this up? Considering they are all about the same size now.


I'm also currently facing a serious problem, I just checked that most of my dollars and pacus are seriously infected with Ich. Only one piranha is infected and it's still not that very serious such as the pacus and dollars' case while the rest of other piranhas are doing fine without the "white spot".


Can anyone help me please on how to treat this Ich infestation in my main tank without moving each infected fish into a quarantine tank because they will be hard to catch and will definitely ruin the decoration of my tank.


Logically, instead of moving each fish to quarantine, why don't I cure the whole main tank and prevent this Ich infestation from happening again?


I mean its really inconvenient as I've set up all the tank's furnishes and catching each one of the Ich-infected fish will definitely ruin my decorated tank and from what I've read from the internet is that its better to "medicate" the whole main tank as the Ich bacteria is contagious and hundreds of the Ich's eggs could possibly lay down in the bottom of the main tank waiting for "revenge" and thus hatch somewhere in the future and re-infect the fish that already been cured or other fish that have yet been infected before.

I really need help on this thing please
 

Foster

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Serrasalminae Enthusiast;4162354; said:
Okay the thing is this: my tank size is 91.5 cm length and 50 cm height and 45 cm width (I am in Indonesia and we use centimeter as the common measurement) and I've installed 2 powerfull water filter + air pump system and an ultraviolet tube light to stimulate the water plants' growth.


I am currently keeping 10 sub-adult red-bellied piranhas + 10 sub-adult red-bellied pacus + 10 sub-adult silver dollars + 2 young plecos + some ghost shrimps.
Well if your math is right in cm it works out that you have a 205 Liter tank or 55 gallons. That is not enough room for any one type of those fish. You have 32 fish that a minimum of 17+ cm each, the pacu will get around 50 cm easy. I suggest next time doing reasearch before you spend money just to kill off fish.
 

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Serrasalminae Enthusiast;4162354; said:
Hello I am new here and I will really appreciate if anyone can give me some advice regarding treatment of Ich in my main tank.


Okay the thing is this: my tank size is 91.5 cm length and 50 cm height and 45 cm width (I am in Indonesia and we use centimeter as the common measurement) and I've installed 2 powerfull water filter + air pump system and an ultraviolet tube light to stimulate the water plants' growth.


I am currently keeping 10 sub-adult red-bellied piranhas + 10 sub-adult red-bellied pacus + 10 sub-adult silver dollars + 2 young plecos + some ghost shrimps.


I've kept them for almost a week now and there is no fallen victim so far but yes the pacus and dollars have their fins nipped by the piranhas and some even have lost a chunk of their backs. To prevent more serious aggression towards their cousins, I have constantly make sure the piranhas are well-fed and I have set 2 bogwoods with holes and more water plants to provide more hiding places and to improve the water quality.


I'm curious on how long can I keep this up? Considering they are all about the same size now.


I'm also currently facing a serious problem, I just checked that most of my dollars and pacus are seriously infected with Ich. Only one piranha is infected and it's still not that very serious such as the pacus and dollars' case while the rest of other piranhas are doing fine without the "white spot".


Can anyone help me please on how to treat this Ich infestation in my main tank without moving each infected fish into a quarantine tank because they will be hard to catch and will definitely ruin the decoration of my tank.


Logically, instead of moving each fish to quarantine, why don't I cure the whole main tank and prevent this Ich infestation from happening again?


I mean its really inconvenient as I've set up all the tank's furnishes and catching each one of the Ich-infected fish will definitely ruin my decorated tank and from what I've read from the internet is that its better to "medicate" the whole main tank as the Ich bacteria is contagious and hundreds of the Ich's eggs could possibly lay down in the bottom of the main tank waiting for "revenge" and thus hatch somewhere in the future and re-infect the fish that already been cured or other fish that have yet been infected before.

I really need help on this thing please
This is what you need to do to cure the ick.

Bump up your temperature to 84-86 degrees and add aeration. Raising the temp require you to bump up the oxygen.

Now add 1 teaspoon (not Tablespoon) per gallon.

In about 10 days, the ick will be gone. Note* the ick will get worse before it gets better. Do not contaminate your other tanks with the same net.

When you do your water changes, make sure to readd the salt that you just removed in the water change.

gotta go.
 
Foster;4162393; said:
Well if your math is right in cm it works out that you have a 205 Liter tank or 55 gallons. That is not enough room for any one type of those fish. You have 32 fish that a minimum of 17+ cm each, the pacu will get around 50 cm easy. I suggest next time doing reasearch before you spend money just to kill off fish.

Yeah I've given much thought about it and I have prepared a big fish pond in case any of that fish get "too big" to be kept in the tank then I can move them to the pond and hopefully can get them to breed in the pond. Still learning to breed though primarily focusing on the piranhas. Thanks Foster for the knowledge and advice ;)
 
bomber;4162434; said:
This is what you need to do to cure the ick.

Bump up your temperature to 84-86 degrees and add aeration. Raising the temp require you to bump up the oxygen.

Now add 1 teaspoon (not Tablespoon) per gallon.

In about 10 days, the ick will be gone. Note* the ick will get worse before it gets better. Do not contaminate your other tanks with the same net.

When you do your water changes, make sure to readd the salt that you just removed in the water change.

gotta go.

Ehhmmmm... How do I bump up the temperature? Is it okay if I replace 1/4 water tank with 5 mins of boiled tap water? (Sorry the lifestyle here is kinda dummy traditional and not quite advanced, even I can't still find a PH water measurement and thermometer)


Can I measure the temperature using the thermometer that we humans use when we got fever? (Sorry kinda silly question but I can't find the equipment anywhere here :()


Is it okay if I use the yodium salt that we use for cooking or its got to be the aquarium salt? Is it necessary for me to buy the malachite green and Rid-Ich?


Thanks a lot for willing to help me :)

Really appreciate it
 

Foster

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1. Don't put the fish outside, there inside pets. If you want outside fish try goldfish or koi.

2. Don't put boiling water in the fish tank, drain out 1/4 of the water and replace it with water that feels mildly warm on the underside of your wrist like you would a babys water. A human thermometer will work BUT a aquarium thermometer with a suction cup is extremly cheap and useful to keep an eye on your tank. Either that or turn up the heater a hair, be careful not to turn up the temp too fast or you will do more harm than good.

3. Aquarium salt is what you want, it will be also rather cheap and is a good thing to keep on hand. Any place that sells a pet fish should have this.

You do have a heater right? Take the temp of the water, it needs to be around 25-28 celcius.

It might be overall too late but the best results may be just to get rid of about 90% of the fish asap. Unless you make some serious changes you will be dealing with this again shortly.
 
Foster;4162532; said:
1. Don't put the fish outside, there inside pets. If you want outside fish try goldfish or koi.

2. Don't put boiling water in the fish tank, drain out 1/4 of the water and replace it with water that feels mildly warm on the underside of your wrist like you would a babys water. A human thermometer will work BUT a aquarium thermometer with a suction cup is extremly cheap and useful to keep an eye on your tank. Either that or turn up the heater a hair, be careful not to turn up the temp too fast or you will do more harm than good.

3. Aquarium salt is what you want, it will be also rather cheap and is a good thing to keep on hand. Any place that sells a pet fish should have this.

You do have a heater right? Take the temp of the water, it needs to be around 25-28 celcius.

It might be overall too late but the best results may be just to get rid of about 90% of the fish asap. Unless you make some serious changes you will be dealing with this again shortly.

Thanks bro will do it now, I won't sleep if I need to, thanks a lot for the advice :)
 
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