How do I make my flowerhorns kok bigger?

[DDK]

Yea bodybuilder a need to eat a lot of stuff for the body to recover after the work out. But it doesn't necessary have to be beef it can also be other food or shrimp (brine shrimps) that have protein to help the fish grow. If u r going to feed it beef hearts or beef make sure to remove all the fat. With beef heart u can mix medicines and stuff in for the fish. There r videos of wat people mix with beef heart. I never try the beef heart before I have only feed my fish small pieces of beef. After the feeding make sure to clean up after it and u might wanna skip the next meal. I'm not a professional at fish but if u know wat ur doing then it should be fine. It will help the fish to grow at a faster rate.


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Ok so let me get this straight. You have no knowledge of how much protein a fh can consume and also what actually makes the kok bigger. Generally body builders drink protein shakes not necessarily for the protein content but for the caloric intake correct? Fish and humans along with every living thing on the earth share one thing. We can only consume so much of something.

I laugh when people who work out consume over 20-35 grams of protein and expect it to get them bigger. The average human body can only use or consume 20-35 grams of protein in a 24 hour period. Same with fh's, so lets use an analogy. I consume 300 grams of protein because I want to get more muscle mass, lets say I sit around and do nothing, I'll surly use a portion for regular bodily functions so out of the 300 I have used lets say 15 grams of protein for just basically living. If my body can absorb 35 grams of protein then 20 grams goes to fat if I just sat around all day long correct? So I'm left with 265 grams of unused protein and wont use it. I'll poop out 265 grams of protein rather than be able to use it because my body has reached its limit. Same for a fh, 35-40% is generally all an adult fh can consume, of course fry can accept a little more but its not much, a 10% difference so 50%.

Beef heart is one of the worst things you can feed your fh, it constipates them, ruins water quality, has little nutritional value compared to a good stable pellet, and also shortens their life when fed regularly. Just because you see someone do it doesn't mean its good. Back to my analogy, a fh like a person can only accept so much which in this case is 40% of protein naturally, so beef heart will surly provide the protein but it wont increase their kok size compared to a decent quality pellet food. Your fh will only accept 40% of the protein from the beef heart and poop the rest out harming water quality and also its health. I wouldnt recommend ANYONE to feed beef to their fh as there's only negatives when you can get the same results without any negative side effects with a good pellet stable.

 

[DDK]

1 I never said to feed them beef only. I only said to feed them once a while to give them some proteins. 2 u shorten ur fish live if u feed it too much proteins. 3 I never said to dump the beef into the water and dirty the water. 4 I think this is the part that u misunderstood me on my bad on my part I wasn't very clear with it.Yes gene from the parents give the baby the giant kok. Some fish might form their kok late some might form early depend on the gene and the fish. But after the kok is already form u can feed it different type of foods to help the kok grow and I said I only know one of the food is beef. Different people have different methods to grow their flowerhorns. I'm not saying it's a carnivores and to feed it meats only. 5/7 or 6/7 days I feed my flowerhorn pellets and maybe the 1 or 2 days I might feed them something like shrimps beef or blood worms u know just something to help it grow. Like if u would eat the same food every meal ur body not gonna have as much proteins as other. I'm not saying ur body won't grow and develop but it just develop slower than other people who eat different food and give them proteins and wat they need. If u don't like my idea u can just be like oh I don't agree with u I like other ideas better. I'm just trying to share the information that I have. I'm sure there are many other ways how people grow their flowerhorns and help their flowerhorn show it's full potentials.


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Your number 1).

There is a secret to make a flowerhorn kok grow bigger. But one way I know is to feed them a lot of raw beef


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2). You never once stated it until we started having this discusion.

3). Ill refer you to your first post of the thread once a again. "Lots of raw beef." If you feed lots of raw beef your fh will only consume 40% protein and the rest will pollute the water as you state "lots of raw beef."

4). "Lots of raw beef."

You never stated feed a variety of foods until you noticed you were wrong, you said "Lots of raw beef". But it doesn't matter what you eat, its the nutritional value of the food that determines growth. If you eat the same thing as a stable pellet the fh's body will regularly consume the nutritional value into growth, it doesnt matter if its the same food. We drink water all the time and it hydrates us correct? If we continue to drink water it will hydrate us less effectively the more we consume?

When you state

5/7 or 6/7 days I feed my flowerhorn pellets and maybe the 1 or 2 days I might feed them something like shrimps beef or blood worms u know just something to help it grow.

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Thats not a "Lot of raw beef", you told people to feed like this on post #14. Stated you would feed it once a day as you feed twice a day. Or every other day.

If u don't over feed ur fish with beef then it will be fine. Like 1 meal of pellets and 1 meal of beef. If ur scared of ur flowerhorn getting bloat then u can do 2 day pellets and 1 day beef. How ever u wanna do it. Beef contain a lot of proteins in them so it will make ur fish grow really fast and have a chance of having a bigger kok. If u think it's too risky u can feed ur fish the monster kok pellet and when it grow the kok will grow with it. Have u ever walk into a aquarium store and their flowerhorn is only 2 inches and have a giant head? Well that how they do it they feed their fish a lot of proteins food but I only know 1 of the food is beef. The genes that flowerhorn have from their parents is one way and the other is protein foods like beef. Ur fish might get more aggressive too after u feed it beef


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Thats not once or twice a week. You were telling the public to feed raw beef once a day or every other day once.

 

[st3ven]

So raw beef give bodybuilder bigger kok?hmmm....

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[ChaosBreaker]

Your number 1).


2). You never once stated it until we started having this discusion.

3). Ill refer you to your first post of the thread once a again. "Lots of raw beef." If you feed lots of raw beef your fh will only consume 40% protein and the rest will pollute the water as you state "lots of raw beef."

4). "Lots of raw beef."

You never stated feed a variety of foods until you noticed you were wrong, you said "Lots of raw beef". But it doesn't matter what you eat, its the nutritional value of the food that determines growth. If you eat the same thing as a stable pellet the fh's body will regularly consume the nutritional value into growth, it doesnt matter if its the same food. We drink water all the time and it hydrates us correct? If we continue to drink water it will hydrate us less effectively the more we consume?

When you state

Thats not a "Lot of raw beef", you told people to feed like this on post #14. Stated you would feed it once a day as you feed twice a day. Or every other day.


Thats not once or twice a week. You were telling the public to feed raw beef once a day or every other day once.

Did I said I would feed my fish beef everyday? I might feed my fish that 2 days beef or shrimps or beef and shrimps depend on that I have. I didn't say oh u should feed ur fish beef everyday. I didn't know u would take this so far. Im just saying to try feed ur flowerhorn beef it can help. I'm just going over the basic idea of feeding ur fish but u thought I told people to feed their fish beef everyday. I'm just giving an idea of feeding like 2 day of pellets 1 day of beef. I never said that was my way. U jump into conclusion and thinking that I beef my fish a lot of beef. U never ask me my way of feed did u? Yes the flowerhorn will grow if u just feed it just pellets but if u feed it different food it will grow after. I have to go over this variety of food because u think that I only feed my fish beef. Yes everybody need water to live. But u can't compare food and water giving u the same amount of proteins and nutrition. Depend on how much u feed ur fish and the tank size. Don't over feed it and the water won't get pollute and do regular water changes. Too much proteins ur fish can't take it all in and it will **** it out. That y I said depend on how much u feed it. If u don't know wat it doing then u shouldn't this if u don't know wat ur doing its fine. U can try it this if u want to or not depend on u. I'm tired of arguing it's just style. I can keep going with u but I didn't came to this site to argue. I come here to learn new stuff and gain information and ask for help if I run across something I don't understand. I will keep ur ideas in mind I know wat I'm doing. Like I said before there r many other ways to grow ur flowerhorn.


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[DDK]

Did I said I would feed my fish beef everyday? I might feed my fish that 2 days beef or shrimps or beef and shrimps depend on that I have. I didn't say oh u should feed ur fish beef everyday. I didn't know u would take this so far. Im just saying to try feed ur flowerhorn beef it can help. I'm just going over the basic idea of feeding ur fish but u thought I told people to feed their fish beef everyday. I'm just giving an idea of feeding like 2 day of pellets 1 day of beef. I never said that was my way. U jump into conclusion and thinking that I beef my fish a lot of beef. U never ask me my way of feed did u? Yes the flowerhorn will grow if u just feed it just pellets but if u feed it different food it will grow after. I have to go over this variety of food because u think that I only feed my fish beef. Yes everybody need water to live. But u can't compare food and water giving u the same amount of proteins and nutrition. Depend on how much u feed ur fish and the tank size. Don't over feed it and the water won't get pollute and do regular water changes. Too much proteins ur fish can't take it all in and it will **** it out. That y I said depend on how much u feed it. If u don't know wat it doing then u shouldn't this if u don't know wat ur doing its fine. U can try it this if u want to or not depend on u. I'm tired of arguing it's just style. I can keep going with u but I didn't came to this site to argue. I come here to learn new stuff and gain information and ask for help if I run across something I don't understand. I will keep ur ideas in mind I know wat I'm doing. Like I said before there r many other ways to grow ur flowerhorn.
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Oh my lord where do I even start? I'll disprove EVERYTHING you have said again with your previous posts.
1).

Did I said I would feed my fish beef everyday? I might feed my fish that 2 days beef or shrimps or beef and shrimps depend on that I have. I didn't say oh u should feed ur fish beef everyday.
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You told others on post #14 to feed once a day every day. So your telling others to ruin their water quality and shorten their fh's life for some bogus theory that you believe will increase their kok size? Please answer. Why are you telling others to hurt their fish while you apparently feed it once or twice a week? Full of bs I presume? Here's your post read it.

If u don't over feed ur fish with beef then it will be fine. Like 1 meal of pellets and 1 meal of beef. If ur scared of ur flowerhorn getting bloat then u can do 2 day pellets and 1 day beef. How ever u wanna do it. Beef contain a lot of proteins in them so it will make ur fish grow really fast and have a chance of having a bigger kok. If u think it's too risky u can feed ur fish the monster kok pellet and when it grow the kok will grow with it. Have u ever walk into a aquarium store and their flowerhorn is only 2 inches and have a giant head? Well that how they do it they feed their fish a lot of proteins food but I only know 1 of the food is beef. The genes that flowerhorn have from their parents is one way and the other is protein foods like beef. Ur fish might get more aggressive too after u feed it beef
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I'll bet money that if you feed beef as you recommend (once a day) you will in fact harm your fh's long term health and giving out information like that is irresponsible and ignorant.

2).

Im just saying to try feed ur flowerhorn beef it can help. I'm just going over the basic idea of feeding ur fish but u thought I told people to feed their fish beef everyday. I'm just giving an idea of feeding like 2 day of pellets 1 day of beef. I never said that was my way. U jump into conclusion and thinking that I beef my fish a lot of beef. U never ask me my way of feed did u?
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You never said it CAN help, you said "Theres a secrete to making the kok bigger, feed lots of raw beef". Why are you telling people to harm their fh by feeding beef once a day and you assured them it'll be fine? Answer it. You dont feed beef once a day because apparently you know its bad, but then why tell people to fed once a day. I would think that you aren't purposely telling people to damage their fh while you aren't following your own advise.
3).

]U jump into conclusion and thinking that I beef my fish a lot of beef.[/SIZE] U never ask me my way of feed did u? Yes the flowerhorn will grow if u just feed it just pellets but if u feed it different food it will grow after. I have to go over this variety of food because u think that I only feed my fish beef. Yes everybody need water to live. But u can't compare food and water giving u the same amount of proteins and nutrition.
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Yea I did jump to a conclusion as you told others to feed at a unhealthy scheduled while you wont even follow your own advise. I'll state again yea I didnt ask how you feed because your telling others to feed one way I would have thought that you believe in your own preaching and feed that way.

Ok water and food aren't the same correct? Yet when an organism consumes a substance its broken down to compounds correct? OUR BODY CONSUMES COMPOUNDS, DOESNT MATTER IF ITS FOOD OR NOT. I'm sorry for the caps lock but its like I'm talking to a rock. Bare compounds are used from our body and it doesnt matter if topic of our argument is water, or even food. It breaks down into chemical compounds and our body uses it. So when I was using water as an example it goes without saying for nutrition in solid foods.

You never stated feed a variety of foods until you noticed you were wrong, you said "Lots of raw beef". But it doesn't matter what you eat, its the nutritional value of the food that determines growth. If you eat the same thing as a stable pellet the fh's body will regularly consume the nutritional value into growth, it doesnt matter if its the same food. We drink water all the time and it hydrates us correct? If we continue to drink water it will hydrate us less effectively the more we consume?

4).

]Don't over feed it and the water won't get pollute and do regular water changes.[/SIZE] Too much proteins ur fish can't take it all in and it will **** it out. That y I said depend on how much u feed it. If u don't know wat it doing then u shouldn't this if u don't know wat ur doing its fine. U can try it this if u want to or not depend on u. I'm tired of arguing it's just style. I can keep going with u but I didn't came to this site to argue. I come here to learn new stuff and gain information and ask for help if I run across something I don't understand. I will keep ur ideas in mind I know wat I'm doing. Like I said before there r many other ways to grow ur flowerhorn.
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The way your telling others to feed once a day WILL pollute water. Yea too much protein and "ur fish can;t take it all in and it will **** it out" HARMING WATER QUALITY.

I'm telling everyone here on this site to not feed beef.
It will NOT make your fh's kok grow as you stated and I have the facts to prove it. (Just ask)
It will shorten the life of your fh the way you advise people to feed once a day or even every other day.
It will harm water quality and you are so short minded to not think past the what poop does in the nitrogen cycle.
-Ill give you a hint, fish eats the protein, the unused protein is then pooped out and from there protein in water pollutes water ten fold over digested protein from the fish.
-You think packing a fish with protein will make the kok bigger for all the wrong reasons. The kok is a muscle not fat look it up. If it cannot work out the muscle/tissue then common logic dictates that it is left to genetics or edema.

You tell people to feed once a day yet apparently you know its harmful so why are you telling others to do it and it'll be fine?

 

[ChaosBreaker]

u must have a lot of free time on ur hand dont u? u never said to feed it everyday. i said "like" 1 meal of this and 1 meal of that

If u don't over feed ur fish with beef then it will be fine. Like 1 meal of pellets and 1 meal of beef. If ur scared of ur flowerhorn getting bloat then u can do 2 day pellets and 1 day beef. How ever u wanna do it.

I'll bet money that if you feed beef as you recommend (once a day) you will in fact harm your fh's long term health and giving out information like that is irresponsible and ignorant.

bet money? im not scared of betting with u but i dont feel that is right. i love my fish and i dont feel like they are an object that can be bet on and i did not say to feed it everyday.

You never said it CAN help, you said "Theres a secrete to making the kok bigger, feed lots of raw beef". Why are you telling people to harm their fh by feeding beef once a day and you assured them it'll be fine? Answer it

yes there are secrets out there that can help the kok grow. i saw to feed them beef it can help but i never said to feed it everyday. once again u jump to conclusion.

Yea I did jump to a conclusion as you told others to feed at a unhealthy scheduled while you wont even follow your own advise. I'll state again yea I didnt ask how you feed because your telling others to feed one way I would have thought that you believe in your own preaching and feed that way.

Ok water and food aren't the same correct? Yet when an organism consumes a substance its broken down to compounds correct? OUR BODY CONSUMES COMPOUNDS, DOESNT MATTER IF ITS FOOD OR NOT. I'm sorry for the caps lock but its like I'm talking to a rock. Bare compounds are used from our body and it doesnt matter if topic of our argument is water, or even food.

yes feeding a lot of beef is unhealthy for the fish. im sorry i didnt state that earlier because i though people knew. and im sorry about not being very clear how to feed. im just giving an idea how to feed it not to feed too much but i guess i wasnt every clear on that. i dont do the 2 day pellets and 1 day beef thing but i sometime do the 1 meal pellets and 1 meal beef or just 1 meal of beef on the 1 or 2 days that i feed my fish something other than pellets. yes i agreed that our body break down wat ever we eat or drink and use it. but it does matter wat type of food ur eating. like some people is bigger than other. im asian and im a small guy in my school but when i go back to my country the kids at my age and some of the adults only stand up to my shoulders. my parents were born in vietnam and grew up in vietnam and they are average size for an asian if u ask how big my parents are and the genes they pass down to me. but the thing is the food at i eat here in american and the food that they eat over there in vietnam are different. i was born in vietnam and i came over here to american when i was 8 and i was an average size like other kids in vietnam. but somehow 6 years later i came back to vietnam im almost twice the size of the kids over there because the food we ate are different.

It will NOT make your fh's kok grow as you stated and I have the facts to prove it. (Just ask)
It will shorten the life of your fh the way you advise people to feed once a day or even every other day.
It will harm water quality and you are so short minded to not think past the what poop does in the nitrogen cycle.
-Ill give you a hint, fish eats the protein, the unused protein is then pooped out and from there protein in water pollutes water ten fold over digested protein from the fish.
-You think packing a fish with protein will make the kok bigger for all the wrong reasons. The kok is a muscle not fat look it up. If it cannot work out the muscle/tissue then common logic dictates that it is left to genetics or edema.

You tell people to feed once a day yet apparently you know its harmful so why are you telling others to do it and it'll be fine?

beef does not make a flowerhorn that doesnt have a kok to grown a kok. the beef does help the fish grow and when the fish grow the kok will grow with it.
that y i said not to feed to too much and do regular water changes.
idk wat site u found that said the flowerhorn kok is made of muscles. but 2 site that i saw said it was made out of fat. im not saying to pack ur fish with a bunch of protein. im saying to give it some protein food once in a while to give it a little boost.

if u dont like the idea of beef u can try shrimp. shrimp was recommend by the flowerhorn top selling of NYC.

 

[DDK]

Oh my lord... You state that a secrete is to feed "Lots of raw beef", you then state you never said that. You state to feed one meal pellet and then one meal beef clearly here on post #14 on this thread.

If u don't over feed ur fish with beef then it will be fine. Like 1 meal of pellets and 1 meal of beef. If ur scared of ur flowerhorn getting bloat then u can do 2 day pellets and 1 day beef. How ever u wanna do it. Beef contain a lot of proteins in them so it will make ur fish grow really fast and have a chance of having a bigger kok. If u think it's too risky u can feed ur fish the monster kok pellet and when it grow the kok will grow with it. Have u ever walk into a aquarium store and their flowerhorn is only 2 inches and have a giant head? Well that how they do it they feed their fish a lot of proteins food but I only know 1 of the food is beef. The genes that flowerhorn have from their parents is one way and the other is protein foods like beef. Ur fish might get more aggressive too after u feed it beef
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Before I say anything else about this subject your research say the kok is made from fat correct? That's wrong and I honestly don't even want to waste the time to explain it to you. You constantly state one thing and then act like you never posted it and state something totally different.

I'll state true facts right here and I'm not going to debate it further with you because its clear you don't understand when you are wrong. If you are able to google then find the correct answers and use some common logic and sense.

There is NO secrete to getting a bigger kok for a fh.

The fh's kok is muscle/tissue and fat plays a horribly small role.

A fh at fry stage will make use of a food with 50% protein content.

A adult fh can be sustained with a 30-35% quality protein food.

Anything above 40-45% at the juvenile stage pollutes water quality and shortens the life of a fh in the long run.

Feeding a fh beef is plain stupid as a pellet will give same results without negatives of beef.


This is what you said "im not saying pack ur fish with a bunch of protein. im saying to give it some protein food once in a while to give it a little boost." Feeding beef as you recommended to others is not once in a while, read your post #14 quoted above. A fh receives all the protein it needs from a quality pellet resulting in beef polluting the tank. A fh on a quality stable receives all the protein needed to reach its full genetic make up. I wonder if you even know the protein content of beef with relations to a average feeding of pellets. You honestly need to research before you start telling people "secretes" that actually damages and shorten their fh's life span.

 

[ehh]

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[DDK]

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[st3ven]

Mannn so so much to read lol.

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