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Thanks Chris and Darren.

The one I’ve had for 3 years and the others over 2 years. Not sure on their exact age, but they were between 1-2” when I got them. The largest is 4”.
 
This is very true.
In c/a biotopes where water is generally hard with a high ph and you want the leaf litter look,ph values are hardly affected.
I do believe that the beneficial bacterial qualities that the decomposition of the leaves produce can still be looked apon as a positive.
Fry love them too,as a food source and a refuge.

These melanura fry were always around leaves.

I may try adding some leaf litter back into my tanks. I do recall my pearsei enjoying nibbling on them and rummaging through them looking for food.

And as you mentioned, fry certainly do seem to love them. Here is an old video of a Cryptoheros pair I had that utilized the leaves when tending fry.

 
Thanks Chris and Darren.

The one I’ve had for 3 years and the others over 2 years. Not sure on their exact age, but they were between 1-2” when I got them. The largest is 4”.

My T. pasionis are about the same age (~2 years). I have 6 females and 1 male (what are the odds?) and the females are always bickering amongst each other. One of the females tends to stay close and shadow the male, often jumping in to help defend him when a squabble arises. They have showed all the signs of spawning multiple times, yet have not spawned. Like Stan said, I think it's just a matter of time. Make them feel comfortable and feed them well and I'm sure they'll commit soon enough.

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My T. pasionis are about the same age (~2 years). I have 6 females and 1 male (what are the odds?) and the females are always bickering amongst each other. One of the females tends to stay close and shadow the male, often jumping in to help defend him when a squabble arises. They have showed all the signs of spawning multiple times, yet have not spawned. Like Stan said, I think it's just a matter of time. Make them feel comfortable and feed them well and I'm sure they'll commit soon enough.

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Thanks. Beautiful pasionis!
 
It seems if the tank is too "busy" they may go through the motions but never really commit as they simply do not feel comfortable enough.

I am having a similar problem with some panamensis I have. I've got a definite pair, who has cleaned off rocks, dug pits, and defended the area together, for a couple months now. But they never end up breeding. I was thinking something along the lines of the tank being too busy (it is a community with a bunch of other fish). I just set up a spare 20 long I had lying around for the pair, going to try giving them their own tank. If I have luck, I will report back here and let you know it worked @Toiletcar
 
I am having a similar problem with some panamensis I have. I've got a definite pair, who has cleaned off rocks, dug pits, and defended the area together, for a couple months now. But they never end up breeding. I was thinking something along the lines of the tank being too busy (it is a community with a bunch of other fish). I just set up a spare 20 long I had lying around for the pair, going to try giving them their own tank. If I have luck, I will report back here and let you know it worked @Toiletcar

I saw your thread updates. They are beautiful. You know I thought mine might be too busy too. Maybe that’s it. But they sure like to square off w/ the meeki. But your tank didn’t look crowded to me. Does any of the other fish bother them?
 
My pair of pearsei are around 5 years old and have yet to have a successful spawn. They are pretty much glued to each others side most of the time. They often go through the motions of displaying and rock cleaning however have only actually laid eggs 3 times, and each time they eat the eggs within 24hrs.

I use to have them in with a male M. argentea, along with T. meeki and pasionis. I *thought* perhaps it was the argentea causing them to feel uncomfortable so I made the very tough decision to sell him. Over a year later and nothing has changed. I've pretty much given up on the "what ifs" and have simply accepted that they may never have a successful spawn. Whether it's due to them being in a "community" tank, I'll never know as they will most likely never get their own tank.

*Stan, hope you don't mind the side convos going on in your thread!
 
@Toiletcar The tank isn't that crowded, aside from the panamensis there is one H. tamasopoensis who is the "tank boss". But the pair has now challenged him and they have been fighting a bit.
*Stan, hope you don't mind the side convos going on in your thread!

yes, now we should probably stop derailing hah
 
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